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Black and white movies

Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:49 PM EDT
entertainment, movies, cinema, black-and-white
By Merle T Wiler
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Here I am again so let's discuss black and white movies. I am not not sure where to start on this one so I will start at the end. 99.9% of all modern movies are filmed in color for obvious reasons but occasionaly they will sneak a black and white one in. By the way I define a new or modern movie as anything filmed since 1960. That's only 50 years ago!

There are two modern black and white movies that I think are wonderful and they are Ed Wood and Dead Man curiously enough both starring Johnny Depp, who I consider to be one of the greatest living actors. I think part of the appeal of black and white movies is the stark contrast between the shades of dark and light and the emphasis on the acting as there is no color to distract one's attention from the performers. Since I am not a professional film critic all I am doing is expressing my opinion for what it is worth but I still enjoy a good black and white movie. For example would Manhattan and The Last Picture Show be better movies if they had been filmed in color? I hope not.

I wouldn't expect movies like Avatar to be filmed in black and white or most movies now that I think of it but some subjects seem to lend themselves to black and white. Are younger viewers put off by black and white movies? I don't know but I suspect they are. Are black and white movies only for the coffee house artsy crafty types? Do viewers want more color and special effects to satisfy their never ending quest for more visual stimulation? What is the meaning of life?

I don't know the answers to these questions or I wouldn't be asking them so answers will be appreciated along with any reviews or recommendations anyone has of black and white movies they have enjoyed that were made since 1960.

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Merle T Wiler

All comments will be appreciated.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:50 PM EDT
Isabella-37

I prefer black and white over color movies, which is probably why I love the classics.

One movie that was filmed in black and white, and probably would not of had the same horrifying impact for me if it had been filmed in color was Schindler's List. I would of turned away at most of the scenes if it had been in color.

Same with In Cold Blood. For me, it was that much more terrifying in black and white, as they went from room to room and slaughtered the family.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:31 PM EDT
Peter Faden

I really wanted to watch Dead Man, but it came and went quickly and i couldnt remember the title...gonna go look for it now.
My all time fave "new" black n white is the original "The Haunting"

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 11:35 PM EDT
Merle T Wiler

Yeah The Haunting may be the very epitome of a b&w movie whatever epitome means.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 11:55 PM EDT
AnnForTruth01

Are younger viewers put off by black and white movies? I don't know but I suspect they are. Are black and white movies only for the coffee house artsy crafty types? Do viewers want more color and special effects to satisfy their never ending quest for more visual stimulation? What is the meaning of life?

I don't feel younger viewers are put off by black and white movies for this reason. They simply didn't grow up during this era when black and white was all we had and less action. I love black and white movies and hate that some are now in color, like The Wizard of Oz and Gone With The Wind, etc. Not everyone could afford a colored television when it was first introduced to the market and watched black and white for years after the fact. Hell, my parents didn't purchase a floor modeled colored television until the late 60s, early 70s and me and siblings thought we were rich. Before this occurred, we were one of those families that sat one television on top of the other one, with homemade hanger antennas ...one played sound and the other one a picture.

When I watch black and white movies, fond memories of my past come to mind and the younger generation can't relate to this. They only hear about it, which isn't quite as effective. Turner Classic Movies (TMC) on cable shows a lot of black and white movies.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 6:37 AM EDT
Dowser

Gone with the Wind was filmed in color-- It has just been "fixed", as the original film was fading.

Not everyone could afford a colored television when it was first introduced to the market and watched black and white for years after the fact.

Absolutely! I saw my first color TV about 1963, and it was the only one in town! :-)

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 6:04 PM EDT
storyartist

And I bet it was an episode of Bonanza -- the 1st program aired in color.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Tue Aug 3, 2010 2:40 PM EDT
Dowser

Absolutely! They had a huge party, and there were about 50 people, all staring at a mid-size TV screen... What fun!

    #1.7 - Tue Aug 3, 2010 5:50 PM EDT
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    Merle T Wiler

    Hmm I think I should have titled this article something like "Conservatives have declared total victory over Liberalism once and for all while Obama admits defeat and Palin ascends to the throne."

    • 2 votes
    Reply#2 - Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:19 PM EDT
    Dowser

    I'm sorry, I just saw the article!

    Psycho did it for me-- I still check the bathrooms of hotels for lurking stabbers... :-)

    Does that count? I guess it was too early. And thank you for saying ONLY 50 years ago. That makes me feel much better!

    • 2 votes
    Reply#3 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 12:23 AM EDT
    Buzz of the Orient

    Before technicolour or other forms of colour were used in the original shooting of a movie, many movies that might have been more entertaining could have been in colour, but certainly not all. I cannot imagine how much effectiveness a movie like The Wizard of Oz might have lost if in b&w. However, many black and white movies were colourized, much to the chagrin of certain Directors. See my Classic Cinema seed from last March:

    http://sbuzzc76.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/11/4005677-film-directors-see-red-over-ted-turners-movie-tinting

    Now, if a movie were a musical, for instance a Busby Berkely type with squads of young women dancing down a big winding staircase, colourizing could be advantageous, but in the case of where a Director is an expert at creating deep drama, such as the shadows and dark scenes in The Third Man, by using black and white, it would be not just inappropriate, but criminal to colourize it.

    As Isabella pointed out, Schindler's List would have lost its dramatic effect if shot in colour. It did help to focus the attention on the little girl with the red dress, to represent with one young child the cruel horror created by the Nazis. By using colour at the end, it brought the story to the present, very effectively.

    If they ever colourize Casablanca, I will give up entirely.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 2:05 AM EDT
    D DeMilo

    If they ever colourize Casablanca, I will give up entirely.

    I agree completely. I can't imagine rear window or psycho in color either

    • 1 vote
    #4.1 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 11:48 PM EDT
    Buzz of the Orient

    Rear Window and Psycho have been remade more recently but I only saw the originals. Are the new ones in colour, and if so, are they as effective?

    • 2 votes
    #4.2 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 1:26 AM EDT
    D DeMilo

    I haven't seen them. I think the color will detract.

      #4.3 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 5:23 AM EDT
      Checkmate-983933

      Rear Window is in color (I saw both. The originals and the 'remake.') Remake sucked. Originals (b&w and color) rule for that movie. Didn't change anything.

      As for Psycho. . .never saw a colored version of the original so I can't say.

        #4.4 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 11:57 AM EDT
        Dowser

        I thought Rear Window was in color, too! Psycho was b&w-- the blood in the bathtub was really chocolate syrup.

        I saw the remake, and it was ok, but not 1/2 as frightening-- something about the original cast and the original ending was absolutely horrifying! I still check out the bathrooms of hotels before I close the door completely and go in. ;-)

          #4.5 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 6:06 PM EDT
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          storyartist

          My favorite Lana Turner movie was colorized, but the only way to see it is black and white. The sense of tragedy is lost, somehow transformed into a newspaper story on the human interest page rather than engaging the audience in the state of willful suspension of disbelief. The movie was Madame X.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#5 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 5:51 AM EDT
          Dowser

          That was a good movie!

            #5.1 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 11:09 AM EDT
            storyartist

            It's one of the movies I pull out when I need to cry.

            • 1 vote
            #5.2 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 11:46 AM EDT
            Dowser

            I have a couple of those, too-- Field of Dreams is one of mine.

              #5.3 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 11:49 AM EDT
              storyartist

              Bridge to the Sun is my all-time tear-jerker, another black-and-white one with Carroll Baker. I first saw it as a teenager. It's a movie that would have worked in color with all the beautiful Japanese scenery without distracting from the emotions. If you haven't seen it, and can find it, do so.

              • 1 vote
              #5.4 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 1:02 PM EDT
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              Mighty Mouth

              Merle, this one is really difficult - before I'd got to the end of your article I'd already cited the movies mentioned by many of the commentaries below. The only ones that springs to mind are Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid - The New York scenes with the three protagonists in exile where they use music and fast black and white film footage to move the story along - very atmospheric and reminiscent of late 1800's old world charm. Then of course the final death scene in black and white still photography, somehow sanitizing the brutality of the scene. McKenna's Gold also springs to mind - The Omar Sharif character's dream sequence with his aspirations of living the life of a european multi-millionaire. Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez's fantastic Sin City, beautifully stylised with its effective use of black and white imagery with splashes of color for dramatic effect. And Dead Again - black and white footage used in the flashback sequences.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#6 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 6:35 AM EDT
              eric fuller

              Citizen Kane, The Third Man, Casablanca, and Raging Bull were good movies shot in B&W. One movie that should've been filmed in B&W was Taxi Driver. It would've made it more grittier.

                Reply#7 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 11:21 AM EDT
                Merle T Wiler

                Yup I gotta agree with you on that one.

                  #7.1 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 9:44 PM EDT
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                  Dr Fell

                  Nosferatu, one of my favorites. Birth of a nation, Napoleon

                    Reply#8 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 2:22 PM EDT
                    Merle T Wiler

                    Since Buzz brought up colorization of b&w movies I feel free to add a comment. It only works on a few movies and one that was greatly improved by colorization is the one of a kind immortal Ed Wood Jr's classic Plan Nine from Outer Space! You may ask can this movie possibly be improved on but, take my word for it, the color version is even better than the b&w version!

                    My questions are still unanswered...

                      Reply#9 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 9:52 PM EDT
                      Buzz of the Orient

                      Plan Nine from Outer Space! You may ask can this movie possibly be improved on but, take my word for it, the color version is even better than the b&w version!

                      Ha ha. As you know, anything would improve that movie. Was it not one of the prime choices for the worst movies of all time? It was at least considered a cult movie due to its being so bad it's good.

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#10 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 9:57 PM EDT
                      Merle T Wiler

                      Buzz, I feel it goes beyond the so bad it is good catagory and is in a class all by itself. When Ed Wood said, "I think this is going to be the big one" little did he know how true his statement was. It improves with every viewing so to speak.

                        #10.1 - Sun Aug 1, 2010 10:12 PM EDT
                        Buzz of the Orient

                        Hard to believe, but I can actually get Plan 9 on the movie web site here in China. I've not seen the movie for more years than I can remember so I think I'll watch it again. Unfortunately I'm no longer in a position to enhance my viewing pleasure (as outlined on another seed on Classic Cinema) so it'll have to be cold turkey. I'll report back on it soon.

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.2 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 1:35 AM EDT
                        Buzz of the Orient

                        Well, I watched it. I must admit that I was not capable of watching it all at once. Maybe with the right potion I could have watched it right through without stopping, but that was not an option. I had to break it down. My first thought is that the actors deserve Oscars for being able to keep straight faces when they delivered their lines (some of which they flubbed). As far as how it would be categorized, it has to have gone even beyond being so bad it was good. It passed that stage and was so bad that it was good at being bad. Colour could not help that movie. Nothing could help that movie. Even God can't help that movie.

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.3 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:18 AM EDT
                        Merle T Wiler

                        Don't they have alcohol in China?

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.4 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 10:25 PM EDT
                        Buzz of the Orient

                        Ha ha. Of course, called moutai, and stronger than most that you have ever tried. I just happen to be a very moderate drinker. It wouldn't have helped.

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.5 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 11:40 PM EDT
                        Merle T Wiler

                        I would rather watch Plan 9 From Outer Space for 24 straight hours stone sober than 5 minutes of Star Trek 2009 stoned out of my mind. Have I ever mentioned how much I despise that movie?

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.6 - Tue Aug 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT
                        Peter Faden

                        You might have mentioned it once, long long ago...i think its listed under Stardate 2199.5

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.7 - Tue Aug 3, 2010 11:11 PM EDT
                        Buzz of the Orient

                        watch Plan 9 From Outer Space for 24 straight hours stone sober

                        That might be a more humane alternative to burying an adultress up to her chest and stoning her to death.

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.8 - Wed Aug 4, 2010 12:02 AM EDT
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                        Checkmate-983933

                        Arsenic and Old Lace, It's a Wonderful Life, and Young Frankenstein.

                          Reply#11 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT
                          mizimel

                          Rumble Fish is one of my favorite B&W movies. It's a Coppola film that he made in the early 80's, right after The Outsiders-- same author, S.E. Hinton wrote the book--but most people haven't heard of or don't acknowledge it. Like the Outsiders, it has a great cast of now well-known actors before anyone knew who they were....Matt Dillon, Mickey Rourke, Diane Lane, Chris Penn, Nicolage Cage, Laurence Fishburne.....also has Dennis Hopper. it's a little abstract, and certainly not for everyone. But I really enjoy it.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#12 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 4:20 PM EDT
                          Peter Faden

                          What about "Pony boy"? C Thomas, Ralph Macchio, Rob Lowe, Patrick Swayze, Tom Cruise, Emilio Estevez...even Tom Waits!!! Chock full of young talent!!!

                          • 2 votes
                          #12.1 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 11:22 PM EDT
                          mizimel

                          The one with C. Thomas, Swayze, etc. was The Outsiders. It was made right before Rumble Fish and also featured Matt Dillon and Diane Lane. In fact, I believe Coppola shot Rumble Fish two weeks after he wrapped The Outsiders--same crew, a lot of the same locations-- so it's easy to see how people mix the two movies up. But they are two distinctly different films, visually if nothing else. Rumble Fish was shot in black-and-white; Outsiders was shot in color. Both are great films, but Rumble Fish always seems to get left behind or swept under the carpet.

                          • 1 vote
                          #12.2 - Tue Aug 3, 2010 10:07 AM EDT
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                          inmycircle

                          Movie directors were very wise. Black and white were used for special effects. It's a lost art now. Yet It's easier on the eyes. But can you imagine The Sound of Music in black and white?

                          I like both. Most of the times, as I remember back on certain movies I couldn't tell you if they were done in color or not. I do remember if the movie was good or not though.

                            Reply#13 - Wed Aug 4, 2010 1:11 AM EDT
                            Merle T Wiler

                            Thank you all for responding to my article and adding important information to my brain cell.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#14 - Wed Aug 4, 2010 9:18 PM EDT
                            Merle T Wiler

                            One of the funniest things I have ever read (it may have been here at Newsvine) was a debate about how The African Queen original b&w version was better than the colorized one! Uhhhh....

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#15 - Thu Aug 5, 2010 8:42 PM EDT
                            Merle T Wiler

                            I guess nobody understands my joke:(

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#16 - Fri Aug 6, 2010 12:01 AM EDT
                            Dowser

                            I'm sitting here thinking, I thought it was filmed in color... wasn't it? :-)

                            • 1 vote
                            #16.1 - Fri Aug 6, 2010 11:08 PM EDT
                            Merle T Wiler

                            Yes Dowser it was lol! The debate was hiliarious.

                            • 2 votes
                            #16.2 - Fri Aug 6, 2010 11:11 PM EDT
                            Dowser

                            How I wish I could have been there! :-)

                            (((((((((((Merle)))))))))))))

                            Thanks for these fun articles! You're the best!

                              #16.3 - Sun Aug 8, 2010 2:39 AM EDT
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